2007 Triumph 150CC Yamaha 40HP 4 stroke

[BSeid33859]

The dealer delivered my new boat to my house on July 1,2007. I bought the boat unseen and it was everything I dreamed it would be. Perfectly suited for my needs, Me and the dogs cruising the local lake. My first and only launch was a total disaster. As soon as I launched the boat the bilge pump kicked on and ran continually. I was taking on water but couldn't figure why so i jumped in the water to check to see that the two drain plugs on the transom were tight. I had checked them prior to launch but figured maybe they came loose somehow. They were tight and secure. So i crawled back up onto the boat. I was still taking on water but mean while numerous boaters were trying to launch and retrieve there boats. So I tried to start the engine but it would not start. I remembered earlier at my garage the dealer tried to start the boat in my garage and it wouldn't start. So he hit the little button on the side of the throttle to disengage the gear shift and advanced the throttle full forward and it started and shut it off immediately and said i shouldn't have any problems because it checked out OK in the pre delivery checkout. Well at the lake I tried the same thing and it would only start on full throttle and would not idle. So I managed to get it in gear and drove around in circles until everyone had launched and retrieved there boats. Buy this time the water was about 2 inches below the top of the transom but i was able to get the boat onto my trailer and out of the water. I then opened the two drain plugs and drained out what seemed like a couple of hundred gallons of water. It took a good ten minutes for all the water to drain out. I called the dealer and explained what had happened and they said they have never had that happen to anyone. A new boat that wouldn't float and a new engine that would only run on full throttle. Since the dealer I bought the boat from is over two hundred miles away they arranged for me to visit another Triumph dealer that is only 80 miles away. I guess I'll take the boat up there after the July 4th traffic rush ends probably sometime next week. Now if they are able to get the boat to float and the engine to run properly I my be able to get it into the water one last time before Labor Day. Maybe if I'm still around next year I'll have better luck.

[cagrove]

Sorry to hear you're getting off to a rough start...definitely want to get it to the dealer ASAP. If you're plugs were tight (with washers in place) there are only a few places water can get in the boat with the quantity that you experienced. My first guess would be a loose hose at a through hull...check the bait well pick up area. One way to find the leak is to put in the transom drain plugs and run a garden hose into your boat while it's on the trailer. You should see water coming out somewhere. I know it's frustrating to get all excited to go play with your new toy only to have something ruin the fun but I'm sure it's something very simple. All boats go through a "shake down" period where you need to work out all of the bugs. I'm not saying your boat should leak or your engine not run but these things are built by humans and people do make mistakes...have the dealer fix it and go have fun.

[Genelie]

sorry to hear about the boo boo's...what is empressive is the delivery..I like that. Hopefully it is all nothing but a simple fix.

[Swamp_Bear]

That sucks!

I'm wondering how water could have risen to 2 inches below the top of the transom when the boat is build for level flotation when swamped. In fact, all outboard boats less than 20' in length have level floatation by Coast Guard requirements.

[cj413]

It definitely takes some time to work out all the bugs. I had to go back to the dealer after the first day in the water as well with my 170 cc. The trim/tilt switch mounted on the front of the boat stuck raising the motor out of the water while running and there was some play in the throttle where it engaged late. As you can imagine it made it difficult to put back on the trailer in the tidal James River. You may want to check the plugs in the front hatches if the 150 has them. I don't know if this would fill the boat but it's just a thought. Good luck and be patient, it's worth it in the end.
cj

[saltydawg]

one thing about outboards is that the are all a little quirky, no offense meant here but sorta like women...what works to get one going wont necessarily get another one going right off...
I have had a bunch of outboards growing up (well My dad did) I rebuilt a few in the garage for me and bought a bunch used that wouldn't run and got them going, and even a couple of new ones.
my starting procedure is pretty standard for what ever out board I have at the time but you have to find the sweet spot to get yours going.
1. I make sure the fuel cap vent is open, on top of the tank..the outboard
with a good fuel pump will create a vacuum that will drive some one nuts
trying to figure out why the motor will run great get on step and then bogg
down and sometimes die. just to start up again and go through the same
thing again again and again.
2.the fuel bulb needs to be pumped pretty solid before starting ,and the
arrow needs to be in-line pointing to wards the motor.
3. The choke, is usually a key choke now days, you have to push the key in
while turning over the motor to choke it.
4. the cold start control lever, this is the lever that lets you throttle up the
motor while it remains in neutral. Be careful with this one, I use my right hand
to turn the key and push in to engage the choke as I reach over with my
left hand at the same time and ease the cold start lever up slowly until she
kicks over and runs then I back off of it. I like to take an new outboard and
hook it up to the garden hose and start it up several times at home to find
what it's sweet spot is. Depending on the motor it has to high idle with the
cold start a little longer than others. At the dock after it starts and runs you
have to give it a couple of minutes to "warm" up before shutting the high
idle off and shifting into gear. I live about 1/2 mile from my favorite ramp
and I like to turn my hose on and start up before I leave and let it Warm up
at home and then unhook, run and launch. can't begin to tell you how many
times guys have asked me who worked on my merc to get it to start and run
like it does at the ramp unloading in the morning ( if only they knew that it
was already warmed up at the house). hope this can help a little. outboards
are less like cars and more like women like that, gotta warm them up a little
before it is time to play.

[BSeid33859]

Originally Posted by cagrove

Sorry to hear you're getting off to a rough start...definitely want to get it to the dealer ASAP. If you're plugs were tight (with washers in place) there are only a few places water can get in the boat with the quantity that you experienced. My first guess would be a loose hose at a through hull...check the bait well pick up area. One way to find the leak is to put in the transom drain plugs and run a garden hose into your boat while it's on the trailer. You should see water coming out somewhere. I know it's frustrating to get all excited to go play with your new toy only to have something ruin the fun but I'm sure it's something very simple. All boats go through a "shake down" period where you need to work out all of the bugs. I'm not saying your boat should leak or your engine not run but these things are built by humans and people do make mistakes...have the dealer fix it and go have fun.

When I pulled the boat out of the water I checked the hull for water leaking back out and there were no leaks but the large volume of water did run out when I opened the two transom plugs. I suspect the water is leaking in through the bait well source of water some how. Seems funny water can leak in profusely but a drop of water does not leak out when I pulled it out of the water. The leak must be a one way leak,it leaks in but wont leak out. I'm going to try and get it to a Triumph Dealer tomarrow and hopefully the dealer will be able to rectify the problem plus my other two issues,the motor wont idle and the speedometer doesnt work.

[BSeid33859]

Originally Posted by saltydawg

one thing about outboards is that the are all a little quirky, no offense meant here but sorta like women...what works to get one going wont necessarily get another one going right off...
I have had a bunch of outboards growing up (well My dad did) I rebuilt a few in the garage for me and bought a bunch used that wouldn't run and got them going, and even a couple of new ones.
my starting procedure is pretty standard for what ever out board I have at the time but you have to find the sweet spot to get yours going.
1. I make sure the fuel cap vent is open, on top of the tank..the outboard
with a good fuel pump will create a vacuum that will drive some one nuts
trying to figure out why the motor will run great get on step and then bogg
down and sometimes die. just to start up again and go through the same
thing again again and again.
2.the fuel bulb needs to be pumped pretty solid before starting ,and the
arrow needs to be in-line pointing to wards the motor.
3. The choke, is usually a key choke now days, you have to push the key in
while turning over the motor to choke it.
4. the cold start control lever, this is the lever that lets you throttle up the
motor while it remains in neutral. Be careful with this one, I use my right hand
to turn the key and push in to engage the choke as I reach over with my
left hand at the same time and ease the cold start lever up slowly until she
kicks over and runs then I back off of it. I like to take an new outboard and
hook it up to the garden hose and start it up several times at home to find
what it's sweet spot is. Depending on the motor it has to high idle with the
cold start a little longer than others. At the dock after it starts and runs you
have to give it a couple of minutes to "warm" up before shutting the high
idle off and shifting into gear. I live about 1/2 mile from my favorite ramp
and I like to turn my hose on and start up before I leave and let it Warm up
at home and then unhook, run and launch. can't begin to tell you how many
times guys have asked me who worked on my merc to get it to start and run
like it does at the ramp unloading in the morning ( if only they knew that it
was already warmed up at the house). hope this can help a little. outboards
are less like cars and more like women like that, gotta warm them up a little
before it is time to play.

That sounds good. I'll hook the garden house up to the motor and start it before leaving the house. Is this a safe procedure? The engine wont overheat? Warming the engine up at home sounds like a great idea and it may help me resolve the starting issue. The funny thing is I've rented pontoon boats with 115 Yamaha's that have been setting for a week or more and they kick right over and idle with no problems and I was hoping my boat would respond like that. Guess I got one with numerous quorps.

[BSeid33859]

Originally Posted by saltydawg

one thing about outboards is that the are all a little quirky, no offense meant here but sorta like women...what works to get one going wont necessarily get another one going right off...
I have had a bunch of outboards growing up (well My dad did) I rebuilt a few in the garage for me and bought a bunch used that wouldn't run and got them going, and even a couple of new ones.
my starting procedure is pretty standard for what ever out board I have at the time but you have to find the sweet spot to get yours going.
1. I make sure the fuel cap vent is open, on top of the tank..the outboard
with a good fuel pump will create a vacuum that will drive some one nuts
trying to figure out why the motor will run great get on step and then bogg
down and sometimes die. just to start up again and go through the same
thing again again and again.
2.the fuel bulb needs to be pumped pretty solid before starting ,and the
arrow needs to be in-line pointing to wards the motor.
3. The choke, is usually a key choke now days, you have to push the key in
while turning over the motor to choke it.
4. the cold start control lever, this is the lever that lets you throttle up the
motor while it remains in neutral. Be careful with this one, I use my right hand
to turn the key and push in to engage the choke as I reach over with my
left hand at the same time and ease the cold start lever up slowly until she
kicks over and runs then I back off of it. I like to take an new outboard and
hook it up to the garden hose and start it up several times at home to find
what it's sweet spot is. Depending on the motor it has to high idle with the
cold start a little longer than others. At the dock after it starts and runs you
have to give it a couple of minutes to "warm" up before shutting the high
idle off and shifting into gear. I live about 1/2 mile from my favorite ramp
and I like to turn my hose on and start up before I leave and let it Warm up
at home and then unhook, run and launch. can't begin to tell you how many
times guys have asked me who worked on my merc to get it to start and run
like it does at the ramp unloading in the morning ( if only they knew that it
was already warmed up at the house). hope this can help a little. outboards
are less like cars and more like women like that, gotta warm them up a little
before it is time to play.

\How do I check the full tank ent on a 150CC. I doesnt have portable tank on it.

[BSeid33859]

Originally Posted by Swamp_Bear

That sucks!

I'm wondering how water could have risen to 2 inches below the top of the transom when the boat is build for level flotation when swamped. In fact, all outboard boats less than 20' in length have level floatation by Coast Guard requirements.

The ouside water level was about two inches below the top of the transom while under way.Not under way it was three or four inches below. The boat felt like the anchor was draging while under way and I didnt have the anchor on board. I just assumed the volume of water leaking into the hall was causing that effect.