Handling issues on 170 CC

[Jim Jenkins]

Over the past six weeks or so there were comments and running threads on the handling experiences and questions on the 170 boats. I had a four days on the water scheduled for last week and waited for that time to attempt to duplicate some of the owner observations.

Bow rise on the hole shot with my boat (80 hp. f-stroke Yam.) occurs if the motot is trimed up too high. Trimed all the way down or neutral, minimal bow rise.

The darting at about 4,000 r.p.m. could be experienced with the motor trimed all the way down. A bit unsettling but with the motor trimed up to neutral or a couple of bars above, I could not make it happen.

Will say again (earlier threads), Bennetts down, motor neutral to down and she pops up flat and level under three boat lengths. And I can stay on plane at 15-17 mph at 2,800 rpm using trim and tabs. This boat has a Doel fin.

All these attempts to replicate the experiences discussed within the previous postings were with 3/4 fuel or more, two 200 lb. men and fishing gear on board. The 170 is a nimble little boat that serves my needs well. And there are still oyster bars around Chokoloskee, FL. Plastic is good...

Hope these notes help other 170 owners.

[cagrove]

Very useful post...thanks for taking time out of your boating/fishing to help out your fellow boaters!

[joeygumbo]

The descrepencies that we are seeing is that the guys with the cc see no issues because they are already three foot above the bow of the boat. The dual console seams to have the issues because you are seated lower.

[ILLOGICAL GGC]

not wishing to add insult to injury, i see alot of issues being addressed by rather new owners to boating. i can not think of a better craft to own as a new boater than one of the triumphs. however ,we have addressed and will continue to help those with issues and my only concern is that the almost average of 5 to 1 visitors to owners who visit with us may get scared away from the line if they do not connect the new owner unfamiliarity of using their boat

thanks jim for showing us that operated correctly ,these are great boats.

again, just an observation from someone who has been around this site and the prior one since 2000.

robert

[dkaraluz]

I own a 2006 170DC with a 60 HP 4 Stroke Yamaha. I do have a hydrofoil: with the engine trimmed all the way down it jumps out of the water into a plane with hardly any bow lifting. Once on a plane I trim up to increase speed without touching the throttle. Yes, I might be sitting lower than the 170CC owners but it does not affect visibility (at least on my setup). Got 46 hours on the tach and still love it!

[TIM IN FL.]

Hey all,I guess I posted on the orignal thread on this issue,but Illogical is right on the money!

[joeygumbo]

I understand that ya'll notice that we have only been members for a couple of months and you automatically choke this up to being a new boater. In actuality i can only speak for myself but I am only a new triumph owner. I have now spoke with 4 owners of new 07 170 who have had their steering helm's installed wrong. I understand we might be scaring people away from the line, but this is something that triumph and the dealership's need to adress. This is what this website should be set up to do. If this website's main focus is as an advertising tool for triumph than it shoul not be the triumph owner's website. Because i can't speak for most members of this sight but I did not make money off of triumph, I spent it. We are seeing an issue with the steering helms that are being installed. If prospective buyers are not given this information or the dealerships and the factory are not made aware of this it will only give triumph a worst name than properly educating current and future owners. If you have an issue with new owners talking about their concerns about their new boats you need to talk to triumph.

[NCangler]

Joeygumbo,

You are making a number of assumptions in your last post based on the comment of one member of this site, not the management of it. This is a site for Triumph Owners. It is not a factory site; it is not a promotional arm of Triumph or any dealer. Of course you can bring up problems you are having with your boat. The only thing I have EVER asked any member of this site is that it not be used to slam the reputation of any person or company. I have stepped in a couple of times when negative posting became ranting in my opinion (I pay the bills, I make the decisions), which I find counter productive. If someone needs to vent I suggest a punching bag, go fishing instead or start their own website. From the beginning I have welcomed and encouraged the participation of owners, dealers and Triumph factory folk because I believe it is the collaborative sharing of information and building of an online community that will benefit us all in the development of these boats. I have also consistently pointed out to people that if you have a problem with your boat contact your dealer first. Your Triumph Dealer is your link to Triumph Boats. This is true for most businesses. Don't bypass your dealer unless you get no satisfaction from them. If you don't by all means contact Triumph directly. But I have found a couple of people over the past couple years that no one could possibly satisfy or make happy in this life who took great pleasure apparently in being divisive. Sorry, but the Bible tells me to steer clear of people like that. There is no up side with them.

So to recap, keep it positive; contact your dealer and build a working relationship with them; if you have to, contact Triumph Tech support; and by all means post your questions and concerns here but don't make sweeping generalizations about a product line or a company. I am forwarding this thread to Triumph to make them aware of this discussion. As you said, the company needs to know if there are issues in the marketplace. Ideally they would be getting this information from their dealer network who learned of it from customer concerns. But we can certainly pass it on. Just remember that we are a group of owners sharing information about how we've modified or setup our boats. We are not connected directly with Triumph and are not their warranty service or marketing site. I hope this clears up any misunderstandings about the purpose of this website. Glad you are a part of it.

Randy
Administrator/Site Creator & Owner

[NCangler]

The response from Triumph on this:

Occasionally we have faulty helms as with any other component of the boat.
I have reviewed the warranty claims and not found this to be an issue. Has
the customer been to a dealer? Have they talked to Bryant in our customer service? If there is a problem it will be addressed, but we have to know about it before we can fix it.

Seems reasonable to me. And thanks to Triumph for a quick response.

[NCangler]

Here is an interesting sidenote response from the engineering folks at Triumph.

In order to make the boat turn right the aft edge of the engine needs to move to the right. The propeller is rotating clockwise or to the right meaning that as the prop grabs at the water it wants pull to the right as well as to push the boat forward. The prop is designed to have the majority of the force translate into forward motion but the torque of the prop will also make it want to move to the right. This means that it is always going to be easier to turn the boat to the right (starboard) than it is to go to the left (port). Hydraulic steering has a mechanical advantage over cable steering that makes this a lot less noticeable but it is still there. The trim tab at the back of the engine is intended to help offset the torque generated by the engine but it will always be noticeably easier to go to starboard than to port. The speed of the boat will also play a roll in how well the trim tab offsets the engine torque.