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bullets and all others puzzling over this inner hull drain issue----if any water accumulates there ,it is over a long period of time. on the earlier year models of the 190 water is trapped up in the bow area and cannot drain to the transom. the boats have to have the hulls drilled and drained and welded back shut. the 210cc is designed so any water that gets into the foam area will drain to the transom and therefore the transom foam drain will remove all the water . i do not know if the 190 molds have been modified to allow the water not to get trapped in the bow area anymore and maybe this is a tech question to ask the factory or get a clarification on should i be wrong ---not. i have not heard of as many water issues from the newer 190 model owners as those with the older models, so the water intrusion may have been addressed.
also do not get water in the bilge area confused with water in the foam . on my old 186, i used o-rings in addition to garden hose washers on the drain plugs to keep water from entering the bilge area while the boat was in the water. also the side scuppers would let water backflow onto the deck and eventually back into the bilge area as well. water in the foam gets trapped between the bilge floor and the outside hull by cracks or holes breaching into the foam which is sandwiched between the bilge floor and the outside hull. every hole drilled into the gunnels and stringers could allow water to enter the foam area should the rule sealant /tape on the base of rod holders fail. this is why we caution against over tightening screws and to pull the rod holders (again on earlier model boats )to ensure there is nowhere for the water to intrude
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I have an 02 190 bay and installed the inner hull drain 3 seasons ago. I take mine out into the gulf 1 to 5 miles. It gets me back and fourth just fine, howevrer, I have not been very satisfied with the water issue. Despite the other posts about all boats take on water, aircraft carrieris etc.---it is a scary thing to see that the dealer reccommends installing an "after market inner hull drain". If draining water from the deck into the inner hull was an "acceptable" part of the design, then the manufacturer would install an inner hull drain. This is a flaw in the design. Water in the inner hull is a bad thing---this will suck the horsae power away from your motor, possibly effect your trailer and your trailering performance, and eventually deteriorate the foam. Yes the ropolene itself floats, but my goodness---boats are not supposed to take on water in the inner hull----
I would not recommend purchasing a 190 bay. I have had mine for 3 seasons and have had to work around all of the design flaws. I had factory warranty work on the hull due to cracking and the results look like "botched plastic surgery". The repaired areas began cracking again. Once you have what I have, you are stuck. You cannot trade the rig in or sell it without taking a severe loss------------------- who in their right mind would buy a used boat with a "inner hull drain", let alone plastic surgery. Especially when the boat drip-drip--drips all the time out of the drain? I am not a good enough salesman to sell that. If you plan to keep the boat forever, then no problem--especially if you like to tinker, tinker, tinker--troubleshoot etc. |
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There has been a recent slew of posts concerning inner hull water. I sure hope I never have to worry about it. But it would not surprise me whatsoever if I did.
When shopping for a boat, I had my eye on three: A used Grady White Tounament, a Boston Whaler 18 Ventura and the 195dc. I narrowed my search down to the Whaler or the 195DC because I wanted something "unsinkable". While doing my research on these boats, I went to this web sight and also surfed the Whaler web sight "continuous wave". Because I chose to purchase a boat with an inner hull, there willl always be a possibilty that water will get in there. Any thru hull improperly sealed without "Rule" or (the stuff that Whaler recommends) or damaged in some way is a potential entry point. When I went on the Whaler forum, many of the inner hull water issues were answered with "There has been thousands of posts about this, please search the sight by beginning at the FAQ section". I did, and here is how you get there: http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/FAQ/#Q3 After reviewing both sights, I figured I had a better than even chance at keeping my foam dry with a plastic boat that I can beat with a hammer. I hope I am right. If I ever do get this water, I have the good folks here to give me a hand to try and figure out where it could be coming from and how to resolve it. I am paying attention, not losing sleep, having a ball with this boat, but being realistically vigilant. |
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Thanks Ron.
That is a great example of the fact that we have boats. All boats have water issues, after all, that is what we use them on. If the biggest and most expensive boats made can't keep it all out, what makes me think my boat can. The less I have the better, and I might get more inside with washing. Thanks again, and like you, not going to worry about it.
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I Will Keep Bringing Up The Thermos Bottle Or Chocolate Easter Bunny Analogy So Everyone Will Understand The Concept Of How These Boats Are Made. Instead Of Air Inside The Two ,foam Is Injected There. Any Hole Drilled In The Thermos That Is Not Sealed Will Allow Water To Enter . Just The Flexible Nature Of The Plastic Requires Ample Sealant To Fill Any Hole ,screw , Accessory To Keep The Water Out Of The Foam Area.
The Drains Are There To Give Us A Means Of Removing Any Water That Finds Its Way In The Foam Which Is Open Cell And Water Is Supposed To Drain Through It. I Will Happily Open A Simple Drain Plug In The Rear Of My Boat And Drain This Water As A Trade Off For Being Able To Sit In My Captain's Chair And Never Have To Stand Up To Ward Off The Shock Of My Boat Pounding My Body To Pieces Or Getting Drenched To The Bones As In My Former 23ft Glass Center Console
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I really don't understand why this is such a big deal to some people. I installed the inner hull drain in my first Triumph and it dripped some, big deal. Water can get drain into the inner hull because of screw holes that are not completely sealed with RULE, thru rod holders, etc. Installing a drain just provides a way for that water to get out. I had no problem selling my first Triumph because of the drain.
When I bought a 2006 215 I had my dealer, Merritt Marine, install the drain on the new boat. It drips some but not that much. Unless you keep your boat in the water all the time, what is the big deal about having a drain where any water that does make its way inside, can drain from the inner hull foam? When I pull the boat out of the water I unplug the bilge drain and open the hull drain. When its time to put it back in the water those are the only two drains I have to worry with. Works fine for me. ![]() |
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