Is this a widespread problem?

[BAYCOASTAL]

I am a little startled by the threads regarding leaking inner hulls. I just purchased a used 2002 190 Bay and before that had heard nothing of the leeaking inner hull problem or else I would have investigated this further. Is this something Triumph is aware of? Should not this be under warranty? How do you know if there is leaking going on in the inner hull unless there is opbvious failure in the flooring etc?--in this case warranty would cover it I would think????

[ILLOGICAL GGC]

the one thing that new owners may not be aware of when they first join the group and start reading all the forums is that there are folks here that have some of the first models of a style of boat . there are always issues with anything newly introduced and the way to measure a company's growth as to quality is how the subsequent model years improve from the previous year. at a million dollars a mold ,there is not going to be major design changes from year to year.i would like to think the factory is aware of what we do--they copy the mods we do and they are beginning to see how much of an asset we owners are.
they realized too late for instance that an 80 gal. fuel tank and a fourstroke are too much weight for the 210--so they went smaller with the tank and that helped with plumbing issues with the livewell and other bilge area issues as well and this has helped improve uthe 210 from how it started out. however, rather than asking us in a survey from the plant or actually having a rep on as a member or thru the group administrator they put the small copper lines to drain the floor boxes into the bilge that IMHO was plain stupid. so, it can go both ways. it is up to us to continue to be the real world testing grounds for our boats ,bring up the issues w/o hurting the overall reputation of the product, and make dealers and and plant customer service as a last resort aware of really serious concerns rather than using this group to point this out thereby fueling the anti plastic campaign the fiberglass dealers have been waging since the introduction of the line. we need to let each other know of major issues , but they need to be handled at the plant/dealer level.

just thought that needed being said and now to address the inner hull issue.

you have to imagine you boat as being a floating thermos bottle. the deck and hull are molded as a thermos bottle with the vaccuum air space being filled with foam.any hole drilled thru the floor or hull is going to provide water a chance to get into the foam area if the sealant were to fail or not be applied enough to seal the hole. certain year models require factory involvement to remove this water . those of us with non warrenty q2 models can modify our boats as we see fit to remove this water. certain dealers have developed drain installs to remove this water. each boat model and the year it was made will determine what should be done because every issue we have is specific to boat model and year made.boat flex, expansion and contraction all contribute to water getting into this "inner hull foam "area.

i will provide an example of the uniqueness of model and year by siting what i have done to my boat. my 01 210cc apparently had an issue with the plastic not forming a drain tube in the molding process that would drain water out of the megga storage area into the bilge. since the drain tube did not fully create itself water from the megga was draining directly into this foam area. with no way to drain itself out of the boat the boat was gaining weight the mega floor was getting squassky and i didnt know what damage the water could create being trapped there. i ended up making a megga drain tube with pvc pipe and installed a drain that allowed the water to drain out of the foam area.
this is my unique issue and there are others involving 190s trapping water that the factory and or certain dealers are required to repair. again specific model and specific year of mfg involved.

i would want to think the most current models have addressed the issue of water migrating to the foam area ,however as time goes by it will be our fellow owners that will be making us aware of what to be on the lookout for.

GGC

[cagrove]

Very well put, GGC. Them writin' classes are really paying off! Seriously though, that was a great answer...well thought out and well written.

[Tsing806]

What did you do about your leak?

[Tsing806]

I am new to the site and tyring to learn how it works.

What did you do about your leave

[190steve.s]

The thru- hull connections and any mechanicals conections (screws,bolts,etc)
are possible points for inner hull water. The remedy is simple . Any breach of
the material should be properly sealed using rule elastomeric. The polymer isn''t
porous but the holes that are put thru it certainly are. Also check that screws have not been spun out and the bond broken.One step that I use when attaching items to the hull
is I heat the screw before installation. The hot threads melt the hull material slightly
and as it cools locks it tightly to the thread. It is not anything to be concerned about
merely part of maintenance for any machine that is put to work.Remember there is not one ship in the world that does not have pumps and with good reason. Water will find a way if it is there. My house sits quietly on our street and I have never driven it 35 mph thru breakers. Yet for the last few weeks I have been replacing siding and trim where the silicone and paint failed . Many are retro-fitting the hull with a third drain for the inner hull to release any water that has accumulated thru intrusions. I plan on doing that myself.
Enjoy your boat .
Steve

[ReelDive]

Wonder if there are any other brand specific, owner forums out there? no other mfg has stood up to the close scrutiny that the Triumph/ Logic brand has -- that I know of.

[Procon]

Hatteras Yacht http://www.hatterasyachts.com/news.cfm
Angler http://www.angler-boats.com/angler_boat_index.htm
Contender http://www.contender.com/
Bayliner http://p076.ezboard.com/bbocweb
Sea Ray http://www.searayowners.com/
Sea Doo http://www.network54.com/Forum/143168/
Yamaha http://yamahajetboaters.com/forum/index.php
Iboats (sectioned individual group Manufacturer segregated) http://www.Iboats.com
Parker Boat Owner Forum http://www.classicparker.com/
and of course Triumph Owner forum

All owner forums that are as you mention, brand specific.
There are a plethora on the WWW, the above are just to name a few

[MolarBoater]

Just pick up a $5 plug and drill the apporpriate size hole thru into foam with a "paddle" drill bit(read previous posts for details). Let drain till water stops coming out. Seal new plug in with Rule Eleastomeric only and attach any screws. The new stainless plugs coming on the newest Bay 190's are nice but a simple brass screw type is fine and cheap.

Over time, water will find it's place into the inner hull foam area. At worst, you might get a few gallons of water to drip out of there. Really no big deal. These boats don't sink and even when they are completely filled with water, the motor sits high and dry and functional. Use your search or just go back in the 190 section about how to seal your deck properly and add the ball/cage scuppers. I pull all three bilge/inner hull plugs when I take the boat out of the water. I have a 2002 Bay 190 also so feel free to e-mail me if you have any questions or need more details.

Enjoy, the Bay 190 is a very sea worthy boat but you can tweek it and make it even better. MolarBoater