Rubber flaps in drain holes

[AstroDiver]

I have a 2001 Logic 186 and was wondering if there is a fix or replacement for the rubber flaps that cover the self bailing drain holes? If my boat is sitting still. I get water coming into the stern deck area of the boat. It would be nice for the water to go one way...out.
When camping in the boat, no one can sleep on the aft deck area because of this problem.
The rubber flaps are cupped in shape.
Thanks for any input.

[MolarBoater]

When you are camping, plug them up. Lets see, I have to give credit to two others on the forum for the "plugs" one method is using yellow foam practice golf balls, the other is to install the Whale one way valves and make a plug out of the screw in hose connector.
To really answer your question, no, there is no magic bullet to fix the scuppers as of yet....but if you come up with any ideas, lets everyone know. Either get use to the water or seal the scuppers off and open the access panel to the baitwell intake valve handle and let it all go to the bilge. I am doing both right now.

[MolarBoater]

I just don't think Triumphs were designed with heavier 4 strokes in mind which puts the scuppers just at water level w/o anyone standing back there. Add a couple of starting batteries, ice chest etc in the back of the boat then there you are. I imagine remakeing roto moulds are quite costly. That is why I am looking forward to the 230, they know all the problems, lets see if it is designed right from the ground up learning from all these old moulds.

[Cincinnati]

Originally Posted by nashbrent

Removed by NCangler

What disaster? Are you saying that the small puddling that occurs when the stern of the boat is over-loaded will sink it? The poly material floats, the foam-filled inner-hull floats and that little bit of water does eventually make its way into the bilge and gets pumped out. So let's say you owned a Seafox, Proline or Angler instead. Would you feel better with water intrusion in those empty glass hulls? Yes, there are many small bay boats that have the scupper back-flow issue and it is not just inherent in the smaller Logics. Putting a 400-500lb motor, 39 gallons of gas, two 200lb men, 2 batteries all in the back of a 190 CC and the scupper will be at the water line. And I read your thread on the 17CC - didn't see that list you are referring to, just the one item relating to the fish box drain holes. Wiring - uhhhh, what exactly are you referring to? The motors are wired by the dealer - not the factory.

I'm adding a quote by you from another thread...

Originally Posted by nashbrent

My 186 Bay and my 17 cool both take on some water between the foam core and the hull. I think in comes in at the forward hatch drain holes common to both models. I've talked to the Fatory and they seem like they really don't think its a problem. (Edited by NCangler)

There was a thread on this with one individual who found the intrusion as another poster stated. It appeared that there was a small void at where the plug threads into the bottom of the box and the threads were not formed adequately. But honestly, that problem has not been as pervasive as you insist - not on this site. Also, is this former dealer you spoke to also the one that did your wiring? I believe that Triumph fixed it.

You've posted four threads - all were abusive and related to Logic boats - not Triumphs nor contributing to the forum in a positive way.

[NCangler]

When I first started this site last November I made it very clear (and ever since) that I wanted to build a positive online community of Triumph owners, dealers and Triumph employees if they wanted to join us. This IS NOT a forum for slamming anyone. Not an individual or a company. We have over 700 members now and the tone of this site till nasbrent's posts have been very positive and many have made significant contributions by sharing information and tips. I have warned nashbrent that I will ban him and anyone else that wants to start any negative slamming of individuals or a company. I am deleting the negative comments and the implied cursing. We have a good thing going here and I will not allow it to be destroyed.

Keep it positive folks or find another place to post.

[ILLOGICAL GGC]

friend
there has been 1 former and currently are 2 ownergroup sites in operation since 2001. these issues were brought up then and were and have been covered extensively by this site as well. these issues are not new and there has been ongoing improvements to correct as much as we owners make the factory aware of . i was probably the 3rd or 4th person in the nation to have had a yama f115 four stroke installed on my '01 186 cool bay and the factory was made aware of the scupper problem and it evently lead to the scuppers being moved to the transom , which had it's own unique issues i.e. loss of storage space in the rear boxes among others. irwin jacobs wasn't gonna toss a million dollar mould out the back door just because the boats were designed for lighter 2 strokes and we wanted to put heaver 4's on. please remember the fiberglass technology has been in place since the 60's ,so there has been a lot of time to refine their process. that said, i live in the town where grady whites are made and i used to see the prototype of their cat on the road everyday heading to the water with another adjustment to the flare of the bow as they tried to find the "perfect design" . it cannot happen overnight with our boats i'm afraid.

when i was 15 miles from the dock at an anchor nightfishing for bull red drum and taking every 10th wave over the bow when the wind kicked up, scuppers were the least of my problems. i simply opened the floor access hatch and let the bilge handle the water. there are fixes for every "problem" the factory has not addressed as a warranty issue. i think there is alot to be said that a manufacturer would incorporate "fixes" and enhancements it's customers have come up with in future models
i may be wrong and if so sorrrrrry, but i don't think you read any of the old posts covering the things you so easily complained about or you would have approached your posts with a different tone. i saw the old site disintergrate right before my eyes and we all lost valuable information from years of posting due to infighting and arguing at each other. 701 of us have found this site to be a blessing and i love nothing more than to walk a new member thru all the improvements rather than sit around and complain about why these as THE HULL TRUTH guys like to call "entry level to boating" boats aren"t as perfect as their's are.
i will be happy to walk you thru all the changes i made to my 186 to make it the most all-around fishing boat i ever been on----it just couldn't handle nor was it designed to handle the water i put her in when it got nasty in our shallow coastal sounds.
being poor my only option to move up to the 210cc in 2004 was to buy an 01 model. again, this being the 2nd year of model line ,i found alot of the same kinds of challenges with this boat to bring it up to what is currently being produced as the '05. but unlike many of my perfectionists friends here on this site , i have had a blast going from end to end making all the changes, re-wiring it my way, rigging it out the way i wanted, putting a better t-top than what the factory offers,and now having what would be equal to a rigged out 01 to 04 specs and having saved 10,000 bucks difference in what that 04 would have cost me new.
what i'm trying to get to is it is all relative . cheap ,entry level , low resale value, with flaws that can be fixed with the help of 700 friends and have a boat you can climb up on top of a dock with as the logic video showed or come in a little hot and crash into the dock without damage. heck, we' ve had owners that have had their boats slide off the trailer on a steep ramp and land on the ramp without any damage.
i have a boat that i took out 20 miles in 3-5 ft swells and never got out of the captains's chair ,while my friends turned around outside the inlet in their maycrafts and headed back in. the smoothest, dryest riding boat i ever had the pleasure of never having to stand up on the way to the fishing hole 'cept to get a better look at a passing bikini !!! i only fish on my best friends 23' sailfish if it is dead calm winds and we do a 2 mile offshore stripper run.
as i said-- it's all relative to what you pay for--- 27ft challangers sitting on the bottom of the slip cause the bilge pumps failed after heavy rain or a bucket of plastic

your fellow logic owner
robert

[ILLOGICAL GGC]

randy

it took me 2 hours to get my post typed so i want you to understand that i had started my thought process b-4 your post. if you see anything to edit feel free to.
GGC

[Fishahn]

not sure what all this hype is about. maybe the 186 scuppers are different than the 210's but I just took those flapper scuppers off and replaced with the ball type and rarely take in water backwards thru the scuppers anymore. don't have any pictures here but I'm sure you should be able to find on the modifications section. if not let me know and I'll post.

[NCangler]

I think you said it very well GGC. The majority of us here like our boats. We like modifying and making them better. And this site is a place to learn from each other how to do that. Sure there are going to be issues that come up on each of our boats. But this is a place for solutions and problem solvers, not complainers. I am not opposed to the posting of legitimate concerns on problems someone is having with their boat. The beauty of this site is having a place to solve problems with other folks willing to help. But when someone gets personal with attacks on an individual or a company I'm stepping in. Keep it positive. Thanks for your words and your support GGC.

Originally Posted by IL-LOGIC-AL GGC

randy

it took me 2 hours to get my post typed so i want you to understand that i had started my thought process b-4 your post. if you see anything to edit feel free to.
GGC

[AstroDiver]

Fishahn
Yes, please put up some pix of the round scuppers. Where would I go to see these? I got some of the yellow balls that were talked about and they will fit into the holes from the outside of the boat.
Thanks for all of the replys. I'm new to this site and have been scanning for all of the info I can, to fix 'the problems of my boat' that I've had for over two years.
Seems that this was a demo boat for the dealer in South FL. I had a lot of stuff replaced under warranty. Windshield, bilge pump, locks on the front storage boxes and other items. They put on a new 2002 115 Suzuki 4 stroke.
Thanks again for the inputs!