The Triumph 235 Center Console is ready to show!

[Procon]

Yes, I would like to post pictures, unofficially, but I'm not authorized.

[Fella]

As a proud 210 owner, it's easy to compare to the negative, because the 210 has alot to offer, but it does have alot of holes as well. Here are a few things I love about the 235.
My mother (Grandma)was psyched to come and check out our move from a 15.5' to the 210. She jumped on board with our 4 kids, wifey and Lucky Dog. Oldest son throws the lines and off we go. As we put out, the deck is a freeway, I tell everyone to hold on, and my mother delivers the bow"where are we supposed to sit".I took a look around, and anything that might look like a seat was covered with tackle, so I replied with "You dont, you just kind of hang on". The 235 has lots more dry storage and places to seat period, even without the mega.
All of us have been thrown around on a wet deck before, and most of us have had to use the one handed hook of the low stern rail to keep from going into the drink in full clothing. A solid transom to lean against is a major plus and we all know it.
The 235 console is big, but with size comes space. Space for accessable tackle, your buddies trays can be stowed instead of sliding on the deck or taking up Grandmas parking space. The electronics are set up for flush mounts, and I'll bet the height is comparable to the 210. My electronics are on top of the lock box and I have no problems with visability. The storage in the head is huge, once you yank out the head.
I don't subscribe to the 23 foot twins argument, it would be nice for offshore, but who has the money to throw another 20k onto a boat that really doesnt need twins. This boat will fly with a 300 on her. All of us will just smile as she scream by and say "maybe she doesnt need twins". The xtra weight added is rediculous for a 23, just because others are doing it doesnt make it smart or necessary.
The 235 isnt a longer 210, it's obviously meant to have other strenghts and I think it does.
I STILL LOVE MY 210!!!!!!!
Fella

[Procon]

Good notes and appreciate good debate. Misconception by people that have never owned twin engined boats are the initial costs. A 300 hp motor, no matter what flavor will have you looking at $16-20K retail. Two 150 hp motors will put you in the ball park at +/- a $2K difference if priced at $8-10K each minus rigging to make up a 2K difference. Last check on 150 hp motors in a 2 stroke Mercury Optimax or a Yamaha F150 put these motors at a dealer price of $7,900-$9K installed including dealer installed and rigged as an average. The twin v.s. single debate initial cost wise is really apples to apples. Buyers, if cost is an issue, will option normally for a lower horsepower motor or dealers will install or order a lower horsepower motor to reduce overall boat price to make the boat more attractive cost wise.

Debate has it that twins cost more operationally, and that is probably accurate. More maintenance. Single advantage is one lower unit in the water v.s. the drag created by 2 lowers in the water. Fuel consumption is extremely close and very good comparisons by many boat tests seem to validate it. To say a single 225, 250 or 300 would be cheaper than a twin 150 setup probably isnt that accurate. It would be the operational costs that make a twin setup costlier due to maintenance. Weight issue close to the same argument. Twin 150 ETEC's at 427 lbs dry weight each v.s. a single Yamaha 250 hp four stroke at 592 lbs is a 260 lbs difference, that would equate to one passenger and gear. For the sake of argument, I dont subscribe to the added weight issue makes it some huge difference. It may have been valid 5 or more years ago but not today in todays market.

Simple truth is that a SKA tournament fisherman with a possible winning fish wont wait for SeaTow or BoatUS if there is a motor malfunction. The captain would be hard pressed to even ask for a helping hand from another tournament competitor. Twin setup would get him to the scales.

Will be interesting to see the marketing angle, as you know Triumph builds fishing boats. Side bar note - agree on the head. Would definately increase dry storage area. Option for removable toilet would be optimal. Anyone that has ever messed with an installed system for waste can tell you it is not pleasent come maintenance time.

Like you, I prefer the 210/215 as the bow deck area is a smarter fishing setup v.s. raised boxes. To see a practicle and functional seating solution, take a look at the seating on a 236 Scout center console. Too bad Triumph didnt continue to use the inovation they used on the 191 utilizing conversion paradigms. Utilizing the stern of the boat for a seating solution is optimal as that normally is the most comfortable ride on any boat. Lastly, the L bracket look for the lean post seats simply is not appealing to the eye, form fit function? sure but semi-tubular polished aluminum would be a much nicer touch. Lose the Faria analog guages and install Yamaha digital, Mercury Smartguages and the like. If I were paying over $58K on a boat as this, that is what it would have to have.

Resources:
http://www.boating-industry.com/
http://bombardier.com/
http://www.yamaha-motor.com/outboard...me/1/home.aspx
http://www.e-tecinfonet.org/id3.html
To be fair to debate, http://www.thelog.com/news/newsview.asp?c=158866 , though the author is comparing price of large 4 stroke to two smaller 4 strokes at California price, unlike my comparision of large 4 stroke to twin 2 stroke cost southeastern. Current reports dont tip the scale to the author's claim of double fuel consumption either. To many manufacturer service report comparisons out there to show the difference.

[k9reno]

Procon
not to be a pain, but the evinrude list weight for the 150 at 427lb and or
194kg and 419lb or 190kg depending on model. You prob just transposed the numbers. Heck I do that all the time entering odometer reading on my sqaud when gasing up. costs me $5 every time I do that.

[MolarBoater]

Some thoughts on single vs twins in here.
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/pdffiles/EH/EH20200.pdf

Also, There is a very successful SKA Team that uses twin Suzuki's and were even featured in 2006 on the SKA TV show. Can't remember the name.

ReelPeace charters out of Venice, LA just lost a boat due to failure of both motors....investigation still underway, but probably electrical failure.....boat destroyed by oil rig in tow.

I'd still like a twin screw option and maybe they will get the engine bracket idea back in development.

[Procon]

Originally Posted by k9reno

Procon
not to be a pain, but the evinrude list weight for the 150 at 427lb and or
194kg and 419lb or 190kg depending on model. You prob just transposed the numbers. Heck I do that all the time entering odometer reading on my sqaud when gasing up. costs me $5 every time I do that.

Thank you for the correction and you are absolutely right K9Reno. Definately my error and worse, added it up incorrectly as well. Outstanding attention to detail! I will correct my post and to show the twins would be heavier, but will stay with the basic point that the weight is negligable in the over-all scheme. Even at 427 pounds, a 250 pound difference has the potential to be a passenger with gear. The basic point is the #'s are close and that 250 or 300 hp is 250 or 300 hp no matter if it's a large single or twins.
Will also stick with the fact that Yamaha, Mercury and Evinrude are dominant motors in the SKA. Thank you for pointing out my error, no pain taken, sometimes the fingers go faster than the brain

[blakinsmith]

Procon - been enjoying the impassioned and informed debate on the 235 --a class of boat beyond my needs. But I think you got your last post wrong - I think the fingers are going faster than the brain . . . Barry

[TheBoatMan]

I was very impressed with the boat when I saw it. I could put my 210 inside of this boat. It's not just 2 feet longer, it swallows the 210. You can bet I'll be in one by next years fishing season.

[Fella]

Boatman,
Can I have your T-tops when you scrap the 210???????
Fella

[Rob 99]

Originally Posted by Procon

To be honest, dont think testing this boat, for the 200 hours they plan, in the Gulf of Mexico will work. The boat needs to be in North Carolina and run to Big Rock everyday no matter the conditions. The "overall feeling" is management is rushing the boat to production-release for early spring. 200 hours in the Atlantic off N.C. coast is vastly different than running the the mid-west gulf coast and Fl east coast, N.C. would be a preferable litmus test. The boat is going to be a tough sell amongst experienced offshore fisherman that know what they're looking for in a offshore boat. A single motor option only is a concern, especially with the competition the 23 market offers where most boats are twin "option" type set-up's, especially when it comes to SKA. Triumph is going to have to compete with Scout, Contender, Donzi, Wellcraft, Hydra-Sport, McKee, MayCraft.. we'll have to see how this pans out.

Also let me add Key West, Polar, Edgewater it's a crowded field.
I personally was hoping for under 50$ for this boat w/ single 2 stroke 200hp.